Over the last few weeks, cities across the U.S. and the world have erupted in rebellions against police brutality in the wake of the murder of Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery, George Floyd, Tony Mcdade and others. Paul Kivel speaks with Areva Martin on tools white people can use to address denial and silence within white communities.

The portion of the interview featuring Paul Kivel begins at 32:42.